For the P&P05 lovers.


As you all know by now, Pride and Prejudice 2005 is not my favourite movie. In fact, it drives me crazy and it makes me weep and it makes me want to rip some of my hair out. (Wow, talk about dramatic post openers, guys.) I call it Pride and Pyjamas, I bash it, I once wrote a long negative post about it and I know not what. I have learnt that there are many who share my opinion. We will talk about it together in the comments, basking in delicious, malicious mutual dislike. We will laugh about the hairstyles, gossip about The Swing Scene and snort about the pig in the house. And well... not going to lie, I enjoy those conversations.

But there are also those who love P&P05. And yesterday, when I was replying to all the lovely comments on my last post, 6 Period Drama's I do not like, I suddenly realised, 'Wow. Those poor P&P05 lovers. These endless people who bash one of their favourite movies must really kind of hurt their feelings.' I imagined me being in their situation - me reading so many blogs laugh at my favourite movie, and say that it isn't Jane Austen. I don't quickly get upset about stuff like that, but I can really imagine this overload of P&P05-haters being very Tiring for P&P05-lovers.

Well, let me say something I Think. People's brains work very differently. There are many people who love P&P05, and there are many people who hate it. And the people who hate can be a bit harsh, and I try my hardest not to. See, I think it's fine to bash a movie - but when it goes to an extent that the movie-bashers bash the lovers-of-the-movie TOO, then I think it goes too far. I apologise if I ever wrote something like, 'If you like P&P05, you're not a true Janeite.' Or if I wrote, 'If you think P&P05 is a true adaptation of Pride and Prejudice, you're stupid.' I really apologise, because that's just mean.

I  don't see P&P05 as a true adaptation of Pride and Prejudice - I don't see it as Jane-Austen-like. But that doesn't mean that the same goes for other people. People interpret stories and characters differently; that's just the wonderful thing about this world of ours. The colourful diversity of everyone's brains ranges from A to Z, from 1 to a 100. We are all different; our brains all churn and dazzle differently. Some easily overlook historical accuracies, others weep at the mere thought of a regency lady in a Georgian corset and wind-blown hair. Personally, I can't fully understand how some people can love P&P05 so much, but that doesn't mean I have to tell them that they can't, ha. 

So, my dear P&P05 lovers, this post is for you. Keep on loving that Keira Knightley version - keep on falling in love with Matthew Macfayden's Mr Darcy - you can have him. :-P Stick together, you guys, and brush off zee unpleasant comments. I hate P&P05, but I definitely do not hate you guys. Let's do a group hug.

As for my fellow P&P95 lovers - WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. :-P Let's wink and bash the movie together. It's fun.

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    1. No worries my dear! :) Hope your day's been great!

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  2. Ohhh, thank you! *wipes tears*
    Really, it wasn't THAT necessary, but thank you anyway! :)
    Bashing P&P05 really doesn't hurt my feelings that much, because it's not that important for me. The movie didn't cause me to gasp of exaltation nor gave me inspiration to a new story, as f. ex. Becoming Jane did. So don't worry! :)

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    1. Well, this was on my mind for quite a while now - so I didn't just write that for you guys since the last post. :-D
      (Ha, you love Becoming Jane? Because I don't. :-P)

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    2. Whaaaat? Don't you even LIKE Becoming Jane? :o
      Yes, I know, it's not 100% faithful to her real story, but it's beautiful... A cry-movie, as I use to call them ;)

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    3. Yeah, sorry. Well, it's been a looong while since I saw it - and I do remember there were some bits I liked - but all in all it kind of annoyed me. :-/ Jane Austen would have never eloped with Mr Lefroy, to start with. But hey, maybe I should rewatch it before I publish my opinions in a comment, ha. :-)

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  3. Thank you, Naomi darling <3 It's very sweet of you to write this :-)

    Because I do feel that many people in the blogging-world (NOT you) are inclined to, y'know, dismiss all P&P 05 fans as "not-true-Jane-Austen-lovers." Or to tell us that, "well, we must just not have read the novel." GUYS, I HAVE TOO READ THE NOVEL. I've read it over and over and over again. And it's not like I "grew up with" the 05 movie and am therefore biased in its favor. I never saw ANY of the P&P movies until I was twenty . . . and when I did, I decided--based on my own reading of the novel--that the 05 movie was more faithful to the story. Why can't people just respect that and move on?

    Again, I don't mean you, my dear Naomi <3 But you know. I'm talking about an Attitude that is Out There.

    If it makes you feel better, though, I will say I don't care TOO much for McFadyen's portrayal of Mr. Darcy--because I don't. I don't care that much for Colin Firth's, either. In my very humble opinion, we have never yet had a perfect Mr. Darcy on-screen . . . which is why we need Richard Armitage. And Daisy Ridley. (Like, seriously. They'd be PERFECT.)

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    1. !!!!!!! Pride and Prejudice with Daisy Ridley and Richard Armitage? !!!!!!! Hurrah! I fall on the side of preferring P&P '95 myself but other than that I agree that those two would be FANTASTIC. I never thought about it before but that would be truly fantastic.

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    2. Ha, girls - I actually don't think there should be a new P&P. There are SO many P&P spin-offs and versions, and I sometimes wish they would stop. :-P
      Daisy Ridley and Richard Armitage don't scream Lizzy+Darcy to me, but I can see what you mean. :-D (Richard Armitage just IS Thornton for me. Nothing can make him Darcy.)

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    3. Anna--Yayyyyyyy!!!!!!!! Another person agrees with me!!!! Say, what about starting a petition . . . ? ;-)

      Naomi--well, yes, I do understand your point of view. Personally, all the different versions and spin-offs don't bother me, though. It's such a cool story and there are SO many things you can do with it--kind of like with Shakespeare. That's why there are so many versions . . .

      Haha. Well, you see, I've never actually seen North and South. All I can tell you is that Richard Armitage is the ONLY current actor who looks at all like the personal vision of Darcy that I have in my brain . . . and that's why I need him to play the role. Plus, I do feel he could pull off the whole the "proud/cold/reserved man with a carefully hidden passion for life" thing really, really well. And Daisy Ridley is basically the incarnation of everything I've always imagined Lizzy to be. So, yeah. :-)

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  4. Thank you, thank you!! *joins group hug* This was so sweet, Naomi dear :) Because I have read, not on your blog of course, but on various other blogs, that if you like P&P '05 then you're not a true Jane Austen fan or you haven't read the book. And it is rayther depressing at times. So thank you!

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  5. Awww, thank you for that. :)

    But, really, don't you find it a very pretty movie, if nothing else? I mean, just look at the picture you included. So prettyyy, no? ;)

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    1. Welllll. :-P The sunset and the cliffs - yes. The actors - no. (I might find it prettier if there weren't those distracting-to-me-things around. Hahaha.)

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  6. Oh, yes. It is fun to pick apart movies we don't like, and I love it when I find someone who feels the same disgust over a certain movie that I do, and understands why I don't like it. But there will always be people who like the movie you DON'T like, and so you're right, we must be considerate of them, too, and respect that they're opinion is as legitimate as ours. Because, really, it is! We all see things differently, and who's to say which is the RIGHT opinion?

    This was a very sweet post, Naomi! :D You're a dear. You really are. And just for the record, I don't think you come off as bashing the people who like P&P'05 at all. I think you are very considerate while still managing to state your opinion honestly. :)

    ~Miss March

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    1. Thank you so much, Miss March! "... respect that they're opinion is as legitimate as ours." YES. :-)

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  7. Lovely post :D I myself prefer the '95 version but I'm so glad you said this because it needed to be said! <3

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    1. P&P95-forever. *high-five*
      Thank you, Anna!

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  8. Dis was nice of you to do. ;-) You know me -- I'm not really strictly in either category. I like both versions about equally (okay, I'd probably rather watch the 2005 one again because it's not 50 hours long and I love the music). But what you said here is very important: just because you hate a certain movie, doesn't mean you hate the people who love that movie. (Golly, if I did that, I'd be hating people all over the place!) You deserve a pat on the back, Naomi.

    ~Ems

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  9. I'm wit you ALLLLL the way, Naomi!! I haven't actually seen the '05 P&P, but I have seen the 'First Proposal' clip........and near about gagged!!! the '95 is WAYYYYY better. I am going to watch the '05 though (it's on Netflix now so I can watch it legally) just so that I am bashing it intelligently.

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    1. *grins* Have fun watching it. :-P

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    2. Well, I did it. I watched it last night.......I'll give the link to my post below!! It was just plain AWFUL!!!

      http://thefloweringvales.blogspot.com/2016/03/it-seems-to-me-that-if-there-is-bade.html

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  10. Aww, good for you. As you know, I don't really care one way or the other, but I do enjoy the '05 one, so I appreciated this post :D

    Also, for the record and like some other people have been saying, I don't think you tend to bash the '05-lovers. You bash the movie, sure, but I don't think you go "too" overboard with it ;-P

    Anywho, kudos to you for writing this!

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    1. No, I don't THINK I've ever gone overboard with bashing the movie-lovers. I still agree with just about everything I said in my P&P05-bash-post. But you know, I might have said something offensive towards the P&P05 lovers in one of my old, embarrassing posts, so you know - just in case. :-P

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  11. Excellent post, m'dear! You know I'm solidly in the '95 camp, but I agree that this all most definitely needed to be stated (and kept forefront). :) (*coughs* And I assume this all applies equally to the '07 Persuasion, too? ;))

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    1. Yes, haha, that definitely applies equally to the 07' Persuasion. :-D

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  12. Thank you!

    Also, thank you for not having a "P&P95 Forever Club" button in your sidebar. I've been known to simply not bother following blogs that have that button, and never trying to get to know them because I know I'm going to have to deal with lots of P&P05-bashing nonsense at some point from them, and its going to make my stomach upset (and I'm so sick of the "pig in Longbourne" nonsense that not only did I write long blog post showing that the pig is Not Inside The House, but also I've ranted about it so often that any time anyone says "Pride and Prejudice" in my husband's hearing he fixes them with a stern glare and says, "What about the pig?") and I will probably end up unfollowing their blog in sorrowful realization that they're just not worth the angst.

    Because it's really kind of sickening how holier-than-thou some people get over these two movies. And it gives Jane Austen fans a bad name. Not all Jane Austen fans are snobby know-it-alls who want to feed dissenters to Mr. Wickham. Thank you for not being one of those sorts.

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    1. You're welcome. :-)

      I actually have a P&P95-forever club button on my 'more blogs' page - (it used to be on my sidebar, but I put it in a page because my sidebar looked too cluttered) - because well, I AM a (proud) member of the P&P95-forever club, while respecting that for other people, the P&P05 version is more accurate. (For me, yes, the P&P95 version is the forever-favourite version.) So I suppose not all people with P&P95-buttons on their blog are mean about it. :-)

      The pig isn't in the house? YAY. GLORY BE. That's one thing sorted out in my mind, ha. :-D

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    2. Yes, but it's not on your front page, which clearly tells people you are not militant about this :-)

      And no, the pig walks past a side or back door, through which Mr. Bennet talks to Mrs. Bennet as she's preparing to go to town. Pig stays outside.

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    3. Yeah, but I would put it on my front page if I didn't think about whether or not my sidebar is 'cluttered.' :-) Sooo. :-P

      I do think it's important not to prejudge a person just because of a button on a front page - after all, we're talking about Pride and Prejudice here, right. ;-)

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    4. This is very true. Which is why I have very cautiously followed several blogs who do have that button. However... I currently follow 74 blogs, and I only follow a blog if I fully intend to read it, and I really can only keep up with about 50 blogs, which means I'm almost always a day or twelve behind reading blogs, which annoys me... so I have to have *some* way to stop myself from following every blog ever.

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  13. Thanks, Naomi! I confess that I do like the '05 version(NOT better than '95, for the record) but let me tell you why; it was the very first period drama I had ever seen, and Keira Knightley was absolutely gorgeous to my eight-year-old eyes. Now that I'm a bit more worldly-wise in the way of period dramas, books, and actresses, I realize the mistakes of '05 and the near-perfection of '95. BUT. I still love to sit on the couch with my mom and sisters and watch '05 together. So thanks for giving us this post. :)
    -Diana

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  14. So far, I haven't met anyone who read P&P and then proclaimed Keira Knightly to be the embodiment of Lizzy Bennet, but there's a day and time that I will I'm sure. All in all, thank you Naomi!
    Personally, '95 is my favorite, but, I didn't detest the 2005 (probably because I'm horridly desensitized to movies butchering novels, they all seem to do that, but anyways...). I thought that '05 captured the essence of the story, but was definitely a more romanticized, cinematized version of the story.
    Also, whenever I talked about it to fellow watchers-of-the-movie, there seemed to be two categories of people: Purists (like you, my dear ;]) and Conventionalists (those who have never really read the book at all and just enjoyed the movie).

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  15. I understand you perfectly now. I just watched P&P05 again and it's good as a movie but not as an adaptation of the book.
    Yours truly,
    "Cordelia"

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  16. This was very thoughtful of you, Naomi. :) I love the P&P '05 version, but I also heartily enjoy the '95 version... I guess you could say I'm almost sitting on the fence. ;D But I DO think people go a bit overboard (not meaning you) when they say how the '95 version is certainly the best and kind of make the '05 supporters feel unwanted. Let me join the group hug! :)
    ~Miss Meg

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  17. Emma Winifred and Cordelia, that's actually just what I'm not trying to say, ha. :-) Some people really do think that P&P05 is a closer adaptation to the novel. While I don't at ALL, I do understand and respect that people interpret stories and overlook certain aspects differently. :-D
    But yeah, I agree that we think that P&P95 is a closer adaptation to the book (I agree 100%, because when I read the book the last things that come to mind are P&P05 things.) But hey, others might think otherwise while also having read the book. :-D

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  18. Thank you for this post, Naomi. :)

    I was about to leave a rather wrathful comment on your previous post (just kidding - I would've been perfectly polite) but then this post came along. I firmly support P&P05 because I think most of the casting was spot-on AND that it beautifully captures the spirit and brilliance of the book. In some cases, I care less about accuracy to the book and more about staying true to the SPIRIT of the thing. And this is one of them. But I totally respect your opinion, of course (and I know you respect mine).

    ~Eva

    P.S. I found the '95 version kinda boring, actually. :P

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  19. You know where I stand on the P&P movie versions debate, and although I do enjoy bashing the '05 (and yet I also enjoy watching it sometimes...;)) this post is SO good. Loveliness itself. :)

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  20. Thank you, I really appreciate when other bloggers take the time to respect other people's opinions even if they don't agree. I definitely like the 1995 version of P&P better, but I did enjoy the 2005 version. I can understand why you didn't like it though. The world would be boring if no one had differing opinions, wouldn't it. :-P Have a lovely day!

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    1. Exactly, the world would be so boring! :-)

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  21. I'm definitely a P&P95 gal! But no I don't bash people who like the 2005 version.

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  22. Great post! My introduction to Jane Austen stuff was by watching the P&P 2005 movie. After that I read some of her books, and watched other movies adaptions, the 1995 version of P&P included. I totally saw how much more true to the book the 95 version was. I loved it. It was way more Austen.
    But, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the 2005 version, although I will say that it wasn't as accurate. Still, there are lots of modern Austen adaptions, which most people don't have a problem with. I kind of like the artistic liberties the 2005 version had, and there a small few things I liked better about it.
    Needless to say the 1995 version WAS better and more Austen in my opinion! So you see I don't really fit in either of the categories, I'm right in the middle. Thanks for making this post, it was really good!

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